Presented by Mo Lou(莫奴) and Stéphane Verlet-Bottéro (among other names) in 2020 Taipei Biennale for “The School of Mutants” curatorial and research program, this podcast explores the ruins of the incomplete University of African Future in Dakar in this program, one of the few remaining traces of former diplomatic relations between Senegal and Taiwan, which supported the project in the late 1990s. The brutalist architecture included neo-Sudanese auditoriums, and a reversed concrete pyramid for library: a radical design for a pan-African utopia. Unearthing the remnants of this and other post-independence infrastructures of knowledge, Hamedine Kane and Stéphane Verlet-Bottéro’s work “The School of Mutants”, in collaboration with a number of artists, researchers and specialists, delves into the broader archives of Afro-Asianism. This conversation aims to re-visit this historical sequence of political partnership between Taiwan and Senegal, and discuss its speculative potential to consider and amplify current transformative scenarios in the Global South. Intended as a dialogue, it invites experts in the field to examine how these questions are thought across Asia, from the perspective of theoretical arguments in postcolonial studies as well as political and historical discourse. The interview is conducted in English as answers and in Chinese as questions. A part of the audio piece of this project is also played in the end of the first sequel and the beginning of the second sequel.